The only problem I see with models being is a mod is that you never want to see the model as the "bad guy" (or more appropriately for this site... girl). Sometimes, in the flow of conversation, a post can be taken out of context. A model might be pissed about what was said, but missed the earlier conversation and not realize that it wasn't directed at her. Said model boots the offender and gets backlash from the other chatters as being "a bitch".

This will happen Best to keep non-models as enforcers because

1) The models shouldn't have to.

and

2) As James mentioned, they probably don't read all the posts while their lovely backs are turned.

Originally Posted by don143

Isn't the model / moderator relationship a teamwork sort of thing?

I think the model should have the right to ban too, no question. But if things are working as they should, the model should never need to use this power, because they should be concentrating on the show and the mods should be policing the chat. The only reason for a model to have to ban someone themselves, is if the mods are not paying attention.

I don't think that if a model is not given the ability to ban that it means they are being disrespected. But if the mods are distracted and fail to ban, then why have them and the model should be the only one with that ability. But that's going backwards IMO, the mods are needed so the model can concentrate on the show.

Mistakes happen, and it's a forum like this that brings it to everyone's attention so hopefully the next time someone gets offensive in a chat the system in place will take care of it.

Couldn't have put it better myself don. This is exactly what I'm thinking, too.

Originally Posted by Whiskijack

How many models these days don't read the chat? It's part of interacting with their fans. How can they concentrate on the show if someone is being an asshole and distracting them?

I reckon they should be able to boot people. I'm pretty sure some of the mods are doing something else at the same time and briefly dropping back in to see how things are going.

I try and catch every one of Malloy's and Misty's cam shows and there are rarely any mods on at all. Rachels cam shows are mostly the same.

My opinion:
The only way I see to keep everyone happy would be to either A) give the models the ability to boot people or, B) find someone who will be there and give them the ability.

I'm not saying NOT to give the models the power (a moot point anyway now) but I AM saying they shouldn't have to use it in the first place. Each, and every model should have their own mod that'll "take out the trash" for her. One that she can trust and feels comfortable and confident that they will get the job done so she can do her job without any interruptions.

Originally Posted by mumblez

I'm all for models having the ability to ban or at least kick out people in shows. Some things people say might not make a mod feel uncomfortable but it may to the model and thats what is important here.

Models have a whole bunch of shit going on during chats. They may be facing backwards on cam and some guy could just pop in and be a dick and she would never know. Thats where i feel that it is the webmasters duty to be in there as a mod or at least a person he/she designated to be a mod to watch the shows.

Exactly why the models need to have someone they can trust as a mod. Said mod must know what his/her model finds acceptable and unacceptable. That's the whole point to being a mod. Not to police for what offends them, but waht offends the model. It's all about keeping our lovely ladies happy so they're at the top of their game for every show.
If the models have the power to moderate their own shows then why not extend that trust and give them the freedom to choose their own personal mod: pending approval from the Admins. As Misty pointed out, she places her trust in Golden and, in not so many words, just nominated him for the job. Seems only natural to take that route. Not to mention beneficial for the models who would rather have it that way. Wonder if anybody even thought of this as an option.

Originally Posted by Ramsfan

It is all based on peoples' many different definitions of the phrase "rude behavior". I imagine chats will be sometimes filled with sexual context that models will subject.

I disagree Ramsfan. The only definition of rude behavior that matters whatsoever is the model's that is camming at that particular moment IMHO. Plain and simple. I would think that a model that feels/senses the admiration and respect from her viewers will most likely have a better time, hence a better show. Upset her standards, offend her and her show will most likely suffer for it.

I agree. Each model has her own level of rudeness that she can tolerate. I guess some could be more lenient than others, who knows.

Considering how much money these sites seem to bring in to the site owners, I don't see why there can't be a mod or two or three who are paid by them to attend shows and do the job of moderating. If they are missing shows that they are scheduled to moderate, they would then be treated as an employee who didn't show up for work. If problems in chat go unaddressed (ie, the mod is logged in but away), the mod would be treated as an employee who is not doing his/her job. This would do away with the "random chance" that mods will just happen to be in chat for the model's shows -- if you are paying people, then you have more ability to call the shots.

Scheduling a paid employee would do away with the random chance that a mod will actually be in attendance. A simple contract is all it would require: if you do your job, you get paid; if not, not. It seems that this would be worthwhile to the owners, given that the models would be happier and put on better shows, and the attendees would be happier and encourage others to join.

Originally Posted by Pop Not Soda

Considering how much money these sites seem to bring in to the site owners, I don't see why there can't be a mod or two or three who are paid by them to attend shows and do the job of moderating. If they are missing shows that they are scheduled to moderate, they would then be treated as an employee who didn't show up for work. If problems in chat go unaddressed (ie, the mod is logged in but away), the mod would be treated as an employee who is not doing his/her job. This would do away with the "random chance" that mods will just happen to be in chat for the model's shows -- if you are paying people, then you have more ability to call the shots.

Scheduling a paid employee would do away with the random chance that a mod will actually be in attendance. A simple contract is all it would require: if you do your job, you get paid; if not, not. It seems that this would be worthwhile to the owners, given that the models would be happier and put on better shows, and the attendees would be happier and encourage others to join.

while I like your idea, you might be surprised if you knew how much sites make. Some sites might do very well, while others are struggling to stay online. Paying someone to watch a girl get naked? I can't see it happening unfortunately.

The problem isn't if someone is paid, the problem is that there are mods that simply don't want to be the bad guy. They would rather be thought of as one of the gang instead of there for the model. Most mods I see don't watch much of the chat, they are there as a fan first and foremost. I know this because if mods were doing their job, I wouldn't be the only one kicking out people 3.4 of the time.

Mind you, I don't mind kicking out people, I kind of enjoy booting guys that come of as the kind of guy to order a female to do anything. First rule of BC when you enter, NO ORDERING.

That means if anyone tells a model to do something, anyone, they get booted. Maybe first offense is kicked with a warning that says, read the rules next time, no ordering.

Every girl allows different things, which is confusing for some guys to keep track of, thus, I think BC has a set rule list and if broken, regardless of girl, boot, the guy goes buh bye.

Originally Posted by James

[T]he problem is that there are mods that simply don't want to be the bad guy. They would rather be thought of as one of the gang instead of there for the model.

Then they obviously aren't doing their job, and if they're not going to do their job, then why are they a mod in the first place? Sounds to me like the REAL problem isn't that the mods don't want to be a bad guy, it's that they're ignoring their duties, plain and simple.

EDIT: I suppose an alternative to "paying" them would be something more along the lines of: If you moderate the chat x times per week, you get a free membership to any site in the BabeChat network.

At that point, you aren't giving them any real, tangible profits out of your pocket, they're still free to pay for any other sites they still want to be a member of, and they're obligated to perform their duties (complete with performance reviews—assuming the performance reviews could be conducted along the lines of "so-and-so said that there was somebody in the chat who was being a douchenozzle, but you were away for the whole chat and didn't do your job", which would be pretty simple). Seems like a win-win.

Re: Fantomas

I wasn't around to witness his disruptive behavior, but had I been I would have at the very least warned him about it, whether I was logged in as a mod or merely using my non-mod alternative name**. And if he hadn't behaved after being warned, I would've canned his ass, even if I had to relogin as a mod specifically to do so.

My only experience with him was during Cass' show yesterday evening, where he said "show me your belly". Before I could say anything, easyBob warned him not to order the models around, and then I didn't see him say anything the rest of the show.




Re: Having Mods around during shows

The more salient point is that any mods that are in the room during shows should actually be paying attention to what's going on. While I understand that from time to time anyone may called away from their keyboard for short periods, if a mod is going to be away for an extended period of time, they should just log out of chat and let another mod log in** to stay on top of things.




**Some of you may wonder exactly what I'm talking about at the noted points in my post, so please allow me to explain.

The BabeChat admins instituted a "rule" which states there shouldn't be more than three mods in chat at any given time (with the exception of said admins - Mumblez, James, and Doug).

Sometimes, this can cause issues. For example, when I logged in to chat yesterday for Cass' show, there were already three mods in the room. However, all three were in an "away" state, and none said a single thing for the entirety of the show. I logged in using my mod name, since I was specifically asked by Doug to be a mod for his models' chats. A bit later, easyBob also logged in as a Mod. Now there are five mods in the room, which was kinda sorta against the rule, although it was clear only two were actually paying attention.
So... sometimes... issues.

As you all can see, there are many opinions on this subject, and hopefully we can continue to fine tune things until we reach a point that is satisfactory for all (or maybe just most) involved.

Originally Posted by panthro

he said "show me your belly".

Clearly a pain..but he asked for a LOT more than just 'feet'